I would like to see Brian Ashton really work on getting rid of those from the game. The side that won the world cup was highly discplined, and wouldn't have given so many penalties and so much possesion. A great win, great relief, but a long way to go on the road to recovery.
Dave, Ian and co: I didn't think Scotland were "humiliated". It's very hard for any side to look good when their pack is under the cosh. You really missed Jason White. On the positive side I would put Cusiter, Parks and Paterson.
Cusiter because his service under pressure is so good. If it was a bit slow from time to time I'd be more inclined to credit the English defence than blame him. Parks for an educated boot that put Robinson under pressure. Never sneer at the ability to pin a side in its own 22! Paterson for sheer class and courage. Didn't show much in attack because there weren't that many chances, but if he made a defensive error I didn't see it though my vision of the last 20 mins was a bit blurry!
As a Scot I was pretty disappointed in our performance at Twickenham but I was pleased to see Johnny Wilkinson get back in the groove. He is an excellent ambassador for the sport and is not in the least arrogant, a true professional. England are still boring, of course, and arent on the same planet as the mighty All Blacks who are descended from Scots! It was a game for Heros, Jonny and Harry stepped up to the mark.
Still a long long way to go before we reach the true potential of the team, I'd be happy to see two England players busting a gut to support Harry whenever he breaks - and actually getting there - Jonny did it once and scored a cracking try on another day it may have been disallowed but it was a beautiful bit of Rugby. Not sure if Ashton has the time or will be given the authority to bring individuals and the team back to their best in time for the WC but we owe it to the players to give him the chance.
Gemma at 69 seems to be contradicting herself a bit. An 'easy' victory against the Italians and hopefully we can carry renewed confidence into the Irish match. The type of game we played today was perfect, let the forwards rampage with a bit more discipline please!
This article and some of the responses are prime examples of why other British nations detest England winning at any sporting event. This arrogance will never win England any fans even when their performance deserves it - and this performance was nothing to gloat about.
If that is the best that England can offer then I will watch the World Cup with great anticipation. The top teams of which I really don't think England currently are one of will tear through this England team with ease if Scotland are able to inflict this damage.
There is no denying Scotland were poor but what does it say about England when the scoreline still flattered their performance? Furthermore, questions have to be asked of the video replay judge after awarding a try to Wilkinson? Was this guy drunk, on drugs, being payed a backhander or simply just incompetent?
Although it probably wouldn't have changed the eventual outcome, it could have given Scotland some hope and made for a better end to the game. Dave's post 31 is not right, he's probably a wounded scot with a huge chip on his shoulder, like most of them have towards the English.
Maybe it's because we don't pay them enough attention, and sometimes forget they are there. Dave's a sore loser, Jonny Wilkinson first international game in an England jumper in 3 years, and he scores 27 individual points, and creams the ball all around the field and in between the sticks. Dave, if you like stirring things up, wait until you get that wooden spoon.
At least then you'll look the part. A short and impossibly biased list of modern day sporting superstars allowing for the recently retired:. England: Wilkinson, Flintoff yes, despite the shambles. I am pleased. Very pleased. One victory and the English media and many English fans think they are fantastic.
The fall, which will come soon, will now be all the harder. And that will be a lot of fun to watch! Come on Alan, I'm an Irishman, and even though oppressed for years and all that I've gotta take my hat off to Jonny. Can't help but agree with the above post. Sure, it was an impressive performance - but like others have said, it was against a stodgy, pedestrian Scottish side, and frankly anything would be better than the tripe England have produced in the last year or so. Secondly, the tactics were effective - but oh-so reminiscent of their 'ball up the jumper' rolling maul antics which soon stagnated.
The call-up of some 'old faces' echoes this. Your solid forward platform was key - but I wonder what will happen if that advantage disappears? Why else? Goes and hides behind sofa. Mr Wilkinson should be an ambassador for sport, not like the self opinionated, highly paid footballers we have. A credit to the nation thats what he is I realise that blogs like this are a good arena for opposing opinions but we seem to be seeing the extremes!
Yes, Scotland didn't play as well as they should, or could, have. England need to win by that sort of margin against better sides than that before anglophiles will begrudgingly admit that they have started to find their form again.
Yes, there were infringements on both sides that went unnoticed - everyone that's moaning about the try that wasn't should lambast the TMO, not Jonny or England - his moral stance and work ethic is such that he would never be happy taking the credit for something that never was. Bottom line - there were some bloody good players putting in some damn good performances yesterday but there was, as always, room for improvement. English fans have unfortunately got used to their team just turning up for the last 3 years; yesterday they actually played some rugby and it was a long time coming.
As for JW, the guy had managed to stay focused and hungry enough to walk back on the pitch as if he'd never been away, despite the "drought of days" - the man's a credit to rugby and all it stands for - it's about time the Gods smiled on him for a while - how about the anglophiles out there apply some sportsmanship and let us get excited about it? No, I didn't think so, but it was worth the ask! The BBC commentators almost wet themselves every time an English player touched the ball biased or what!!
We all feel very happy at Jonny's "miraculous" return; but lets not forget that NONE of it would happen at all if it wasn't for Harry Ellis. He is now stepping up and into Dawson's boots, and whilst he does a different job, he looked great.
We finally have some world beating half-backs. I can't wait for the world cup, because everyone thought that we were going to be rubbish due to the post victory retirements. However the whole team has proved that we can now dominate in the forwards like we used to and have the backs to follow up there work.
I just hope that we can do it against bigger and better teams, its only going to get harder in this competition. Superhuman performance from Jonny Wilkinson and fantastic to watch. I think we should have a whip round and buy a very large roll of cotton wool so we can preserve him for the rest of the six nations and the world cup!
So that victory still only makes it 2 wins in the last 10 for England I think we should just calm down quite a bit considering one of our tries was from a lucky break when lamont missed the ball Considering that if these hadn't happened, the scoreline would have been totally different at a crucial time in the game, and we were very static for many periods of the game, When scotland brought on some dynamism in the midfield, it obviously immediately exposed our failings and we merely benefited from playing a scotland team that were well under-par.
We are still extremely vulnerable and this hype and excitement is only going to come back and slap us in the face. I think the main thing that stood out for me was the amount of hits he took. He was in the thick of it at almost every phase.
Lets be honest here how many of us were worried during the first half, if he was going to last the game. Good luck to the lad and by god what a game he played. If you look at the game again and watch him giving out instructions to the back line, he was reading the game as though it was a teenager reading a Noddy and Big ears book.
I'm a Springbok fan but watching that game, was a brilliant game to watch and a nice warm up game for the team. I didn't Harry Ellis coming into that game but I take my hat off to him, as he had a blinder of a game. He was thinking the whole game and his concentration never wandered. Good Luck England and Mr Ashton well done for having the guts to select a side that you did as it paid off.
You can say anything you like about Jonny Wilkinson but what cannot be denied is his single minded determination to be the best. I think many of the pundits e. Jeremy Guscott are ultimately under achievers.
I think that Mr. Guscott had more natural talent than Jonny but achieved far less, largely because he was not as dedicated. Can we all just get a grip please? Yes I am Scottish and was highly disappointed with our performance yesterday but England only put proper ground between them and us in the 2nd half.
In the first they were indisciplined, lacked ideas and apart from Wilkinson, ran flat and were slow to move the ball. Scotland lacked ideas, fitness, pace and power and deserved to lose. Wilko's try was not a try and the TMO needs to be demoted a long way. England can't be complacent - they'll need to play much better to beat the French or Irish. Yes I know the Ashes was a whitewash, but boys face reality you lost in and I suspect when England regain themselves you will lose the urn to the pommes in I don't think you lot realise how much has changed in this country sporting wise since the mids.
We are alot more setup mentally and logistically to regularly come back as a nation in a lot of sports. Stop going on abt johnny wilkinson! As an Englishman, yesterday I received two valuable and timely lessons. The one bestowed upon me pride the other shame. Thank you Mr Wilkinson and thank you the Scottish Team, who said not a word of complaint about that try. Thank you Mr Moore. Is there no-one who can fill the shoes of Bill McLaren? Here we go again one win against a Scotland team ,that quite frankly didnt get off the bus and suddenly the World Cup is there for the winning.
I will make a predition now that England will beat Italy and then lose the next three games unless of course they get Jonker as a referee again and Donal Courtney as the TMO.
How George Chuter was never shown a yellow card in that game is beyond belief consistantly over the ball and hardley penalised and he wasnt alone. Two things to put in perspective. Firstly Wilkinson had a point to prove and did it - that alone can make you perform amazingly. Secondly Harry Ellis did really well, but that is only one performance. I have seen him put in a number of dire ones for both England and Leicester. Miraculous indeed, not many people could get away with such a try with video referees.
On the other hand some fantastic kicking something that the English team has been missing. Can't forget the brilliant performance that Ellis had in getting the ball out to Wilkinson, and the pack in securing the ball before that.
We should probably wait until England face a bigger challenge than Scotland before heralding Wilkinson the messiah of English rugby. Glad to see he's back however, hopefully he'll be fit for the last match against us Welsh. I havent seen anything like it. Even a few Kilted Scots were applauding here when he finally left the pitch.
From Legend bar in Kuala Lumpur. Wilko and Harry Ellis they where the stars of that game, let's hope they can keep this team spirit and hope lasting all the way through the six nations. Dare I say it, It felt like the second coming. Has anyone noticed that whenever England is awarded a dodgy try re. Even AR for all his faults kept a dignified silence over such things. Never mind eh, the other nations will always rip into us whatever we do. Some of my fellow Englishmen who are predicting 6 Nations and World Cup wins are pure idiots who only serve to inflame anti-Engilshness in other nations.
Learn some humility, idiots, learn from JW. Don't you think that after waiting for 3 years for undoubtedly one of the best fly halves ever to return to our squad, getting a manager who knows what he's doing, and actually winning, aren't we allowed to be a bit happy?
Sure, it was only a mediocre Scotland side.. So why dont you let us have our glory, even if its only for a week or two. And lets face it, if your not English, then youre scareed that Jonny's back, maybe even better than he was before. Got to love these boards. They set a benchmark. Yes they won ugly but they won! A lot of the things that have were missing in the autumn there was leadership, lots of talking and an inside centre who actually looked to ship the ball rather than run down a blind alley.
I have read some of the other discussions and the other supporters are just as passionate and in some deluded as the English so why is that only the English are considered arrogant! An amazing display by Wilkinson and Ellis - and Farrell outside Wilko seemed to give the team some structure.
They weren't anywhere near as flat as they were in the autumn - proving Farrell's Rugby brain - even at such an early stage in his career within Union - is working wonders. I thought Tindall had a powerful, dynamic game too. I agree, England were given far too much space by the Scots, and this somewhat allowed Ellis to shine I was a little dissapointed we conceded 20 points though. One thought about Wilkinson - with him losing 3 years of his career; is he going to be able to carry on at such a high standard way into his 30's?
Here's hoping! Realistically England were decent, they set a benchmark for a minimum performance! They can and I hope will play better than this. A lot of the things that have been missing from Englands game in the autumn were present yesterday The scrum functioned , there was leadership all over the pitch, Farrell had a good if unremarkable game and did the basics well, having a real openside proved to be a good idea Mr Robinson and paid dividends, Worsley did his bit.
In short England still have work to do but it was a good start. Well I am not a jock. All I said was as usual the hype is over the top-you get one win and all of a sudden you will win the WC, and all is good.
I made no mention of JW at all, but I will stand by my claim that you will not come close to winning the WC. That my Engliash friend is not hype, its a fact.
There can be no doubt that Wilkinson's performance yesterday was nothing short of incredible and i would like to congratulate him on his emphatic return to form.
However, the standard of rugby displayed by both teams yesterday was at times quite appauling. While it might be okay to take some comfort in the fact that England have their first win under their belt and managed to dispose of the Scots quite easily in the end it must be pointed out that they are by no means showing any signs of their world cup winning form.
England might look impressive against a team like Scotland but put them on the pitch in Croke Park or Stade de France against quality opposition and i think we'll see where this team really stand.
The Six Nations competition this year will be a two horse race between Ireland and France and anyone who believes otherwise is in need of a reality check. Seriously though, great to see JW back again and in good form AND a scrum-half that looks as if someone might be able to fill the void there after Dawson. A Scot for 40 odd years an now a Welshman.
Loose the chip! They were the better team in the forwards. However I have to point out that if wilkinson wasnt playing Scotland would have won. The display by Jonny was awesome, he controlled the game well few loose kicks and passes but its been a while.
Without him however england are a poor team. It shows by the results over the past three years. When he retires England wont have a player good enough to take over. And as for that Try, the fourth official should not be allowed to officiate any other games this year. My 7 month old niece could have called that better. And my Wife who has no idea of the rules of Rugby or anny other sport for that matter even could tell his not only his foot but his shin and knee was scraping the ground prior to the ball going down.
And phil from bristol thanks for being probably being one of the few English that understands how much hype is made about future chances by one result. Thats why the other nations get worked up. Media coverage is so biased and over hyped. Every major tournament in every sporting event the media make out that the English team is going to wipe the floor with all the opposition.
It just doesnt happen. And i believe the players get sick of it too having to constantly try not letting down the nation, i feel for them. Very well done Jonny. Anyone will think youve been training for the last few years instead of being injured! JW is a good 10 and does not merit this deificiation by the media. Well i was really looking forward to the game, a new coach, old faces back in the team and young blood to give us the boost.
And i wasnt dissapointed. Yes there were moments that we looked a little shaky but as a feet finding game it couldnt have gone much better. Simple things like playing players where they play for club played off, take note for future reference Mr Robinson. Phil Vickery's appointment as captain is a sound decision, i never thought Martin Corry had it in him to be honest, the perferct example being last year against Scotland, we needed the captain to pull the forwards together but he just seemed unable too, compare that to Phil weathering the storm and bringing us out kicking and screaming was fantastic to watch yesterday.
Harry Ellis in my eyes was by far and away man of the match, yes Johnny was amazing but that performance cant be allowed to overshadow a good performance by the entire team. I know it wasnt perfect but after 8 straight losses that was a damn good comeback. What a load of garbage. England fans get wound up by an uninspiring victory in any sport. Wilkinson hits a couple of drop goals against an injury ravaged Scotland and he's described as 'miraculous'.
Why, oh why, as a Scottish Licence payer do I have to suffer from the inane comments from such a biased summariser as Brian Moore. I am not a sore loser, England were the better team, even with the blind Irish television judge.
But to have to listen to Moore is just excruciating. Can I have a refund on my licence please? Well done England, please BBC can you find some decent commentators, these two yesterday were diabolical, all they did was argue with each other, Oh how we miss Bill McLaren. He played well too. Come on people, wilkinson played a lot? The guy did distribute the ball well thru the backline and and all, he did gave that quick pass to robinson for the try and had a couple of nice hits as usual, he's the best tackling flyhalf to me , and - as usual - had his drop goal.
Now, let's be real, england were facing a weak scottish defence, apart from Cusiter and Paterson this game must have reminded the auld days when he used to carry scotland on his back! Anyway, this "Wilko fever" just outshines the performance of fine english palyers like Ellis man of the match to me ,Lund, vickery and Tindall.
Simply breathtaking. I really forgot how good he was to watch, he entertained yesterday. The whole squad put on a performance the England have not had for at least two years.
Scotland are a speck of dust compared to the Allblacks so it will be interesting to see how Jonny Wilikinson will fair against the best team in the world. Yesterday's game was the first England match I've watched in a long time - wanted to see how the new coach did change should have been made long ago! I wasn't dissappointed - he and the team's effort were brilliant. Oh, sure there's a very long way to go, and there were some pretty daft decisions in both team's favour, but how can you not admire a man who comes back after so long, after so little time on the field and yet he plays like that!
Not just the kicking, his total involvement, tackling much to my husband's dismay in case of injury! Now that's class. And for those who say the game shouldn't rely on one man and his kicking ability - I guess Jonny would be the first to say that the team has to get him into those positions so that he can be effective. Perhaps some of the other number 10s who want to claim that place should put in the hours of practice and level of commitment he does - then maybe England would have more to choose from.
I was once again able to feel proud of a team that started well on the road to building themselves into a winning force. OK - there's a long way to go, but let's hope for England and rugby in general's sake that Jonny stays fit - both need him, his work ethic, his professionalism and his complete humility. May be a liitle over the top - but don't forget the confidence that Jonny brings to the rest of the team.
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned Brian Ashton's part in the success. By and large, he is working with the same players but his input will have been instrumental in their belief and confidence in themselves as they stepped onto the turf.
These rofessional players were as fit and skilful in the Autumn as they are now - but something's made a difference Go Brian! Don't forget, Jonny's try was not a try, and Jason's 2nd was a freakish mistake, if it weren't for those, it would have been England will have to do alot better against the likes of Ireland and France if they want to do well.
Ellis and Wilkinson were awesome, get rid of Di Rollo for Scotland, he's mince! Good performance, not vintage but a great step forward. These first two weeks are all about gaining confidence to play good rugby. Scotland's creativity lacked and Harry Ellis ran them ragged. Very impressed with Harry, Jonny was solid but expected and from that platform the rest of the team finally look rejuvinated.
Big Phil and Joe were awesome up front for a deserving win. Against France or Ireland we'll have to be better but yesterday was special for JW,the ovation he recieved was spine tingling. Harry Ellis came good after a slow start and Jonny's performance was remarkable, but let's leave the exaggerations and the ridiculous hype to the media: this was a hot-and-cold display from England against an uninspiring Scotland side.
Ireland, Wales and France would have properly stuffed Scotland yesterday. It was a promising start but Ireland, Wales and France all played better than Enlgand this weekend. Very interesting to note Andy Robinson's pre match comments that JW wasn't ready!
Still making bad errors even after vacating the head coach role! What a game!!! It was a great team work too!! I loved watching it! Go England! Wasn't it just the nicest change to see some kicks go over?!
I mean, when 'the one' himself was playing before all 9 of his horrific both for him and us injuries, we took thoses monstrous, 50m kicks for granted- 3 points in the bag, thankyou very much. But now I just hope the pressure of expectancy won't get to Wilkinson for the rest of the tournament. The good thing, also, was the fact that he wasn't under any pressure throughout the game because of the superb performance delivered by leicester's harry ellis, for he kept the scottish guessing.
It didn't always go straight back to Johnny for the easy in-the-pocet drop goal. A few sniping runs here and there, made sure that they had to be on their toes for scrambling back, consequently giving You-Know-Who all the time in the world to strut his stuff, and orchestrate the game, along with Farrell, very well, with improvements, inevitably, still to come.
The scrum half is what made the game for me. Keep it up England, but let's not get cocky now, after all, it was Scotland! Let's be happy about the result and the fact that the team is rolling again.
Being happy does not mean bragging, assuming future victories or firing out crass managerial-type predictions about the rest of the 6N and WC. Enjoy the winning feeling but keep humble! So many feather-headed chumps in England never learn the value of modesty and focus. Great to see Johnny back, and Im Irish! I don't agree with the comment that Wilko is better than Carter.
Carter is, like the All Blacks, miles ahead of anyone else, simple as. About the match, not trying to piss on yer parade here, but Scotland aren't the greatest team in the world, teaming with mediocrity yet they still notched 20 points up on ye. Wilkos try was blatantly not a try, but you get those lucky calls every now again, which my team got today, admitedly. If Wilko hadn't scored and Lamont hadn't dropped that ball in the Scots try area, it would have been alot closer.
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Excellent passer, and read er of the game. Great tactician. Carter may go on to better him, but who can say. Best Have to say that for once I agree with balon. He did have faults and may have not been the complete fly half but who is?
A true professional in every sense. I remember standing in the bar of Glamorgan University, the English at one end, the Welsh at the other, watching the World Cup Final in That moment when Jonny kicked those last three point will be something that I will never forget.
His career should not just be remembered for that though, he was an awesome tackler, a master at penalties and tricky conversions for so long and was and still is, I am sure, deeply committed to the England team and their effort.
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